As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. I started to paper patch for my 45 cal tc renegade. Ppbs work equally well with black or smokeless powder. If youre interested in hunting with muzzleloading rifles you have, no doubt, read the ads espousing the extreme performance capabilities of the high velocity. Test loads note the waterproofed patches on bullets at left. When i use grease groove bullets with bh209 i can go to. I was doing great with that gun so i decided to try my luck with my 50 cal. Back in the days of the buffalo hunters and the civil war, most folks used paper patched bullets in their rifles. One of those had a layer of rust scale coating the entire bore and the barrel was bent near the end by someone hammering the site ring onto a cut down muzzle. One thing i have found is when you paper patch a bullet you get higher velocity from your normal charge. If you have not read my first post on paper patching bullets, you should do that now because i will not be recovering the details of how i cut and wrap my patches. With the hope of exposing some universally applicable trends, these variables were eventually tried in three more. My paper patch hunting and long range paper patch loads for reference only. Where is a good place to get the mold and paper that i will need.
When shooting paper patched bullets, the lube largely prepares the guns bore by softening the black powder fouling for the next shot. Paper patched bullets, swaged vs cast shiloh rifle forums. This book presents todays most thorough, fully illustrated source of information for those who enjoy a taste of the past. Paper patching actually wears a bore less than jacketed bullets. The patch is carefully wrapped around the bearing surface of the bullet. First, it engaged the rifling directly, serving much the same purpose as a linen patch did on a muzzleloading rifle. Lube will certainly be a variable as well, might help or might not. Although effect of bullet diameter was the primary focus, the tests were expanded to include variations of patch type, bullet hardness and choice of powder. In the picture above you can see that the point of impact raised when i shot the paper patched bullets.
The paper patch bullet is a lot more like regular lead soft the bullet maker stated it will flatten out like a half dollar when it starts to travel into the animal etc. Is paper patching a fair replacement for lube in a black powder rifle for conicals. For black powder cartridge shooters today, we almost always use lube with the bullets in our loads. The lip of paper extending past the base of the bullet is then twisted together, and may be pushed into a depression cast into the base of the bullet. The cast bullet association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or informal. Nei lee rcbs saeco and lyman ideal, are companies im familiar with to whatever degree. So, i thought i would give a quick explanation on the concept and then show my process. I make and use paper patched bullets for elk hunting and target shooting. Wrapping and sizing paper patched bullets for muzzleloaders.
Im aware that many molds are available to cast bullets for paper patching. Check out david minshalls england long range muzzleloading website. We describe another method to economically and simply custom fit the bullet to your rifle bore to make your military surplus rifle shoot accurately. Chase was a black powder era bench shooter of some note who developed a single lap paper patch system for breech loaders. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45. Paper patched bullets for hunting modern muzzleloader. I have heard that you should lube them slightly before loading on top of the paper. Those bullets didnt shoot well and i gave up on bore size bullets. Or, print your order after entering your address, attach your check or money order, and send it by mail. Paper patch bullets were once the most popular type of bullets in the 1800s.
Your only concern should be that the paper patch does not strip from the bullet before it engages the rifling. Would paper patching reduce leading in s rifled barrel. Does anyone here paper patch muzzle loader bullets. The patch lube has but one purpose to prevent tearing the patch when the bullet is seated. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. Be aware that due to their custom nature, many of these bullets are designed for a specific purpose or firearm, and wont necessarily fit or feed as drawn in all guns of that caliber. Buffalo hunters used this type of bullet to hunt millions of buffalos. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. Muzzleloading info pine ridge black powder custom side. Buffalo arms sells several and i think they have the paper too. You may choose from these designs, use one of these as a basis and specify modifications, or submit a completely custom drawing either electronically or by regular mail. Buffalo arms is closed on the following holidays so that our employees can spend time with their families. In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets. I felt that it was the perfect size combination for bore size paper patch bullets.
These cartridges consisted of a paper cylinder or cone containing the bullet, gunpowder, and, in some cases, a primer or a lubricating and antifouling agent. If it slips in with a slight resistance, its the right size. New years day, memorial day, independence day, labor day, thanksgiving and the day after, christmas eve open until 12. The current resurgence of singleshot and blackpowder rifles creates a need for uptodate and accurate information about paper patched bullets. Its possible to push a patched bullet faster than a jacketed bullet given the same weight and cartridge. Yes, you can buy the old seyfried articles on cd from wolfe. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. If i use paper cartridges for the powder, shold i put those on top of the powder before the bullet. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. Paper patching the hunting bullet for a muzzleloader if this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above. In addition to coming to this conclusion about pre patched bullet diameter, i also investigated the factors of bullet hardness, patch type and powder choice, hoping to further refine smokeless powder paper patched loads. Will this work with a hard jacket bullet or must i cast my own with virgin lead. Shooting a paperpatched bullet in your inline muzzleloader, using blackhorn 209 powder behind it, opens up a whole new way to shoot your rifle. They used 480 grain for rifle, 400 for carbine loads.
Dec 17, 2007 do you use patches with conical bullets. I have been trying to narrow down who exactly first conceived of using paper patch bullets in metallic cartridges as there is a huge gap between when sir jos. I find 8 thousandths deep works well for paper patched bullets, but is too iffy for cast bullets. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons. Get the nras cast bullet handbook and the supplement. Combustible cartridges are paper cartridges that use paper treated with oxidizers to allow them to burn completely upon. Some a bit better than others, but most factory chambered rifles can shoot paper patches quite well. Chase patches have been more accurate than wrapped paper patched bullets for me.
Jul 10, 2008 regular paper especially for patching can be gotten from buffalo arms co. It is a tc renegade with a stainless steel green mountain barrel with a 128 twist. How do you determin which is the correct diameter for the bullet to be before paper patching. Enter your name, address, and billing information for prompt shipment. A lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. I have shot quite a few pp bullets through english sporting rifles similar to your gibbs. I wanted to share my success with paper patched muzzleloader bullets for deer. A lot of the accuracy with a pp bullet will be dependent on the paper, wad, the bullet, alloy of the bullet and the bullet size. Ive started a journey to the world of paper patched cast bullet shooting.
Imo the problem you will run into is pp bullets need to load fairly easy or the paper will tear. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. The bullets themselves have no canneluresgrease grooves. If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. Ive been using maxiballs lately, but i want to try paper patching hornady xtp. If you want to shoot a paper patched bullet in your muzzleloader, you should have a barrel with 8 thousandths deep grooves. I havent seen a copy of it since i was in highschool. New lube for black powder rifles american shooting journal.
Best accuracy is usually accomplished with a much closer fit, tailored to a particular firearm. Place some of the provided patch lube between your thumb and forefinger and twist the bullet, in the same direction the patch is rolled, in the lube. A pp bullet simply has straight sides and theread more. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets. Pretty much any chamber will shoot paper patched bullets. Mar 06, 2014 reloading 577450 paper patched martinihenry. Lube bullets will work in those chambers of course, but there are a few customonly chamber designs that will not shoot, or even chamber, a groove diameter lubed bullet. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load. My hunting loads using swaged paper patch bullets are as follows. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder.
Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine. Paper patched bullets have no lube grooves like a conventional lead bullet. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. The use of paper patched bullets is especially known from the buffalo hunts on the american prairies where millions of the shaggy beasts fell for paper patched bullets. Followed by the same questions about how the paper survives in the barrel. Ive successfully paper patched for two rifles, both with oversize bores. From what ive written about paper you can see its imperative to know the paper thickness before determining your bullet mould diam. Dont try to bump up a cast bullet as you would a paper patched bullet. Pittman bullets high performance muzzleloading shooting. Also, most hunters are going to end up with a personal maximum range of less than 200 yards. Paper patched bullets were used in some early cartridges, though i dont fully understand why. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. If you want to shoot a cast bullet in a muzzleloader you need a barrel cut 12 thousandths deep.
For me the paper patching has opened up my options in what i can shoot in my rifles. My 21year old son eric and i drew cow elk tags as our second choice in our favorite hunt unit in the bighorn basin of wyoming. I made up some wrapped in tracing paper, and some with adhesive labels. The paper patch is moistened slightly with water to make it more pliable and slightly sticky. This expanding catalog contains designs that are already on file. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paperpatched conical bullets. Is paper patching real for making bullets untraceable. I just ordered a of those postell bullets from a company out west. Muzzleloader projectiles muzzleloader bullets for sale. I have a 3 groove bullet that i would be using this on. Grease groove bullets have been the most accurate type so far. You will only need enough lube peasized to cover the patch. The powder was black powder, meaning low velocities so these early rifles shot large, heavy bullets which carried a long way. Here is a video i did on paper patching bullets for muzzleloaders.
Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110. I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience. Paper patching traditional lead conical muzzleloader bullets. Neidner, called the muzzleloading rifle, if i recall correctly. Most cast bullets are made of lead alloyed with tin and antimony. These days it seems like everyone is going to sabots. We rely on a quality products, delivery and value for our customers. To expand on the history of paper patch bullet shooting just a bit, in the mid1870s, international teams competed in the creedmoor matches, probably the most famous longdistance shooting events up to that time. The paper patch was wrapped around the bullet, the projectile. For the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. You can use any alloy you want for shooting paper patch bullets.
If this is the case, then the shooter might be able to take advantage of bullets with slightly less ballistic coefficient but higher muzzle velocities, in order to extend point blank range and lessen bullet drop within the self imposed long range limit. If anyone is interested in trying this i would be glad to help you out. A paper cartridge is one of various types of small arms ammunition used before the advent of the metallic cartridge. And, just like the difference between greasegroove bullets and paper patched bullets, the reason for lubrication while shooting muzzleloaders is still the same, to keep the fouling soft for following shots. There are many ways to patch bullets, smooth bullets are by far the most common and historical way. In addition to coming to this conclusion about prepatched bullet diameter, i also investigated the factors of bullet hardness, patch type and powder choice, hoping to further refine smokeless powder paperpatched loads. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting. As new designs are ordered, they are numbered and added here. A cast bullet is made by allowing molten metal to solidify in a mold.
Paper patch bullet d reamer and shop made casting mold. Paper patching the hunting bullet for a muzzleloader. Shooting a paper patched bullet in your inline muzzleloader, using blackhorn 209 powder behind it, opens up a whole new way to shoot your rifle. Paper patching pullets part i seems to be the most popular thing i have written to.
Now a black powder cartridge rifle is a horse of a different color. I also know two people that have shot many paper patch bullets with smokeless powder in a variety of calibers. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110 by tom ball. Swaging also allows the bullet to have a desired base design, rather than flat. The bullets must be cast under size enough to allow for the paper, and a slight hollow in the base to pack the paper helps. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. This catalog is a record of molds ive made, and posted for reference. The single lap patch has the edges cut square unlike the angle edges of a doublelap patch, and the edges butt when wrapped on a bullet. Greetings shooting a pedersoli gibbs rifle that is somewhat new to me. Jan 26, 2020 pittman bullets high performance muzzleloading powder tubes 5ml and 10ml powder storage tubes for muzzleloader powder charges. Cant, wont, can dos and a surprise or two by randy d. Patched bullets should always shed their patch upon exiting the muzzle.
The 50 i wanted to try to patch for was a gun i put together for my son. They have told me that they have shot paper patch bullets at velocities near 2200 fps without any leading. Just wondering if anyone is interested in this art. Midsouth carries everything from the muzzleloader, rifle, or pistol you want, to the black powder, sabots, and bullets that go in it, in stock and for sale, from great brand like lyman, cva, traditions, tc, pyrodex, blackhorn 209, and many more. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. With these lubed bullets the fouling is fairly soft, with my paper patched bullets the fouling is bone dry and really rough, especially the crud ring, like i said above if you try and reload a paper patched bullet in a hunting situation on a fouled bore without swabbing, paper failure awaits you. You can do it, but i never was satisfied with the outcome. Like in a hawkens rifle or something like that, would you use a patch when firing a minie ball, or would you just seat the projectile direcly on the powder. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders.
Paper patching for muzzleloaders video modern muzzleloader. I went out this morning to try 2 different bullets in my knight mountaineer. Ive shot chase patches in my muzzle loaders and my 4050 ballard. Paper patching muzzle loader bullets alaska outdoors forums. Whitworth decided to paper patch his hexagonal slugs for his eponymous muzzleloading rifle and their appearance in cartridges sometime around approx. If it remains or part of it on the bullet you will have a flyer for sure. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and. When it was realised that if a piece of paper was wound around the bullet it kept the lead bullet from touching the metal bore of the rifle, the paper patched bullet was born. Harrison are the difinitive word on modern paper patch shooting this is to say using smokless powder, and modern rifles with short throats. Patched bullet have a lower friction and thus a reduced pressure, allowing a little. The only patched rounds i am a bit familiar with are martinihenry 577.